Posts by Village Idiot

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Article: Are There Contradictions in the Bible?

by ttdtt in

when online looking at the recent wt there was a link to this..https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/are-there-contradictions-in-the-bible/.

here are the "big" ones they disproved - though not really:).

if god rested on the seventh day, how has he continued working?where did jesus heal the blind man?will the earth be destroyed?in capernaum, who brought the centurion’s request to jesus?do we all sin?is jesus equal to god or lesser than god?.

Village Idiot

OLD TESTAMENT (Jewish Bible)

1. Will the real Ten Commandments please stand up? Two different versions of the Ten Commandments that contradict each other: Exodus 20:1-17 compare to Exodus 34:1-27.

2. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves:

Ø Non-Israelites could be taken as slaves for life and their children passed off as an inheritance: Leviticus 25:44-46 compare to Leviticus 19:33-34 where it says the exact opposite.

Ø A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him along with his children: Exodus 21:2-6.

Ø A master was allowed to savagely beat his slave so long as he or she did not die within a day or two: Exodus 21:20-21 compare to Exodus 2:11-12.

Ø If a slave had an eye blinded by his master he was to be set free but his master was not blinded in punishment according to the rule of an ‘eye for an eye’ that applied to other people guilty of the same crime: Exodus 21:26-27 compare to Leviticus 24:19-21.

3. Exterminate thy neighbors:

Ø All of them some of the time: Deuteronomy 3:1-6.

Ø Men only at other times. Women and children are plunder: Deuteronomy 20:10-18.

Ø Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes: Numbers 31:17-18.

Ø Take captive brides after killing their mother and father: Deuteronomy 21:10-14.

4. How the Israelites treated their ladies:

Ø If a single woman was raped, her rapist was punished by being forced to marry her, never divorce her and paying a fine to her father: Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

Ø Women got their hands cut off for defending their husbands if they yanked his attacker's testicles: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

Ø If an engaged or married woman was raped she was to be executed if she failed to scream: Deuteronomy 22:23-24.

Ø A woman had to prove her virginity or be stoned to death: Deuteronomy. 22:13-21.

Ø A man could sell his daughter into permanent slavery: Exodus 21:7-11.

5. God had someone killed for gathering firewood on a Saturday: Numbers 15:32-36.

6. God cannot see well: Genesis 18:20-21; Deuteronomy 23:12-14.

7. God has a lot of trouble counting:

Ø King David kills 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen or is it 7,000 charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers? 2 Samuel 10:18 compare to 1 Chronicles 19:18.

Ø King David kills 18,000 Edomites, or is it 12,000? 1 Chronicles 18:12 compare to Psalms 60 chapter title.

Ø King Solomon’s slave supervisors numbered 550 or 250? 1 Kings 9:20-23 compare to 2 Chronicles 8:7-10.

Ø A talent for exaggeration (Hint: A talent equals 75 lbs): 1 Chronicles 22:14.

8. God Unmighty! God miraculously saved the Israelites from Pharaoh’s chariots Exodus 14:23-25 but later he could not handle another nation’s chariots Judges 1:19.

NEW TESTAMENT (Christian Bible)

1. Jesus miraculously heals muteness, blindness and curved spines by exorcising demons.

Ø He makes blind and mute people see and talk by exorcising demons that possessed them: Matthew 12:22 and Luke 11:14.

Ø Jesus casts out demons that were responsible for a woman being a hunchback: Luke 13:10-13, 16.

2. Jesus curses a fig tree for not having fruit out of season: Mark 11:12-21; Matthew 21:18-20.

3. Jesus curses entire towns for not being impressed by his miracles but later asks God to forgive his murderers: Matthew 11:20-24 compare to Luke 23:34.

4. John the Baptist recognizes Jesus then later forgets who he is: John 1:29-34 compared to Matthew 11:2-3.

5. False prophesies of Jesus and his followers:

Ø The Messiah (“Son of Man”) will come before his disciples finish preaching in Israel. Matthew 10:21-23.

Ø Jesus will be back before some disciples die but later claims he said something else. Matthew 16:28 compare to John 21:21-23.

6. The crucifixion. Two tales of two thieves: Matthew 27:38-44 and Mark 15:27-32 compared to Luke 23:39-43.

7. Jesus blesses the “peacemakers” but later says that he came not to bring peace to the earth but “a sword” by dividing families: Matthew 5:9 compare to Matthew 10:34.

8. Christian view on women:

Ø Women should shut up in church: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.

Ø Women should wear a head covering on their heads in church: 1 Corinthians 11:3-6.

Ø Women should not teach men: 1 Timothy 2:11-15.

9. Christian view on slavery: 1 Peter 2:18-20.

10. Disappearing verses: John 7:53-8:11.

11. Multiple endings for Jesus’ departure: Mark 16:9-19.

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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

this book has been recommended to me a few times.

is it worth reading?.

how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

Village Idiot

I heard of people getting df'd for having that book.

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Serious question..Leviticus 20:15 Why slay the beast???

by James Mixon in

it's not as if the sheep was trying to seduce the shepherd, the poor creature was violated.

we have come a long way from those days, thank goodness.

so why slay the sheep or beast?????

Village Idiot

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Final Rejection

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i have just returned from visiting friends and family.

when i was disassociated my parents had contact with me a few months before my dad was diagnosed with cancer.

i was reinstated 20 months after his funeral and then they disfellowshipped me 5 months later as they are convinced i had not changed my life enough to be a jw again.

Village Idiot

Disassociated Lady 2, was your son ever in the religion?

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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

this book has been recommended to me a few times.

is it worth reading?.

how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

Village Idiot

As Ding said it is definitely worth reading. It's the best book ever in the ex-JW universe.

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

Village Idiot

Westiebilly11,
My sin? Repaying a particularly caring carer with a meal for looking after my late wife.

Was that caretaker disfellowshipped or inactive?

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Appealing a DF decision

by HereIgo in

i always found it interesting that one could appeal a disfellowshipping....if jehovah doesn't make mistakes, then there wouldnt be a need to "appeal" anything to begin with right?.

Village Idiot

It has been my experience and, also based on what I've heard, that appeals are easy to get but they always rubber stamp the original judgment.

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If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

by minimus in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

.....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

Village Idiot

saename,
I just looked at your profile, minimus, and saw that you joined the forum 14 years ago. I guess you already know then what I said above... which makes my comment unnecessary

Some things bear repeating after a few years.

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If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

by minimus in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

.....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

Village Idiot

Minimus,
After saying that I'm sure they will just go away

But at least they will well remember what was said especially at the twilight of their life.

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If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

by minimus in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

.....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

Village Idiot

I would tell them the following:

"You know, even though the future will suffer from some pretty awful things NOTHING is going to happen in the way you've been predicting. Anyone can claim to know the future but you have had an abysmal track record of false prophecies such as saying that 1914 was going to be, not the beginning, but the actual end of the world on that date.

"Whatever happens it will not go your way."